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They are "new" as you would call it. they need to change their listing from front to something like any position since hidden in n o t e s is where they actually d e s c r i b e what p o s i t i o n they mount on your c a r. I wont pay the shipping to send them b a c k to the seller that is a joke in itself, e b a y doesnt really protect the buyer. I should have been more dilligent, especially when it says it is good then contradicts in there. if they want to leave B a d review f i ne idc